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Read, ponder and comment!
by maryr • Wed 21 Mar 2012 17:14

Is this man truly a genius? Checked out and this is true...it DID happen!

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan. All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A...." (substituting grades for dollars - something closer to home and more readily understood by all).

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.

The second test average was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.

As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed. Could not be any simpler than that.

These are possibly the 5 best sentences you'll ever read and all applicable to this experiment:

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.

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Re: Read, ponder and comment!
by virtdave • Wed 21 Mar 2012 18:45

Obama is not a socialist. Compared to what's current in Europe, tho I would not characterize him as a bare-knuckle Ayn Rand objectivist, he's pretty libérale.

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Re: Read, ponder and comment!
by lestroisours • Wed 21 Mar 2012 20:00

I think what was meant was a form of social democracy, rather than state socialism.

I refrain from comment on the political aspect of the discussion, but I will add some more to read and ponder.

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man how to fish and he will eat for life.

The rich get richer and the poor get poorer, because they each continue to do the same things that got them where they are.

Madness is the continuation of doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

Application of these three sayings, and other similar words are the basis for lifestyle improvement.

Those entrepreneurs who have become millionaires and lost their fortunes have regained them, time and time again because they have applied the truths that got them to the pinnacles of their careers.

The poorest of people have applied the opposite.

If you need to change some things in your life, then you have to change some things in your life.

Quite profound but so true.

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Re: Read, ponder and comment!
by virtdave • Thu 22 Mar 2012 06:21

I do agree with most of the conclusions of the experiment Maryr reports. My response, above, takes issue exactly with the characterization of Obama as a socialist. You may have heard the saying, "If a person is not a socialist at age 20, they have no heart---And if a person is still a socialist at age 40, they have no brain." The Republican party in the USA has gone pretty crazy lately, and Obama is variously attacked as being a communist, a Kenyan, a closet Muslim, and/or a crypto-fascist. Not that there's anything wrong with at least being Kenyan or Muslim....it's just that none of these are remotely true.
I do, however, believe that a healthy society must help its most unfortunate citizens, and that a healthy economy needs careful regulation of the marketplace. Obama inherited a real mess when he was elected, largely due to the catastrophic policies of the Bush administration, and though I don't agree with everything he's done, the alternative at the time was unacceptable, as are the current alternatives in the next election in the USA.....

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Re: Read, ponder and comment!
by lestroisours • Thu 22 Mar 2012 07:28

I agree. Obama is a good man for the job, but bound by the system in place.
However, we have a power within each of us, that of free will. Whilst there are the unfortunates amongst every nation, their internal drive has become lost in despair, and the motivation to pull oneself out of the mire is not there. At the other end of the scale is the overwhelming desire to have - Greed. Unfortunately this compulsion to have, drives the have-nots into the various levels of hate and envy, all the driving forces of bad politics. As in any system, the power of "good" politics to turn things around takes time and moreover the willingness of the system to adapt ro change, so any feet-dragging beyond the term of office of the incumbent, means the inherent problems ebb and flow beyond successive governments, leading to mistrust by the populace of politicians in general and a sense that a system doesn't work.

That said, without large numbers of good entrepreneurs and their power to invest, and improve, there would be no employment prospects.

DOH! I said I wasn't going to be drawn on the politics! But it is difficult to discuss sociology without mentioning it. What an individual thinks can drastically change in a crowd. You have only to watch "the tube" on monday nights recently, when the London transport network bulges at the seams.

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Re: Read, ponder and comment!
by blaudeix • Thu 22 Mar 2012 19:59

@ maryr
can you post links to the evedence, just out of interest, not because I don't believe you

Application of these three sayings, and other similar words are the basis for lifestyle improvement
dammit, somebody moved my cheese

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Re: Read, ponder and comment!
by lestroisours • Thu 22 Mar 2012 20:29

good book that - who moved my cheese

“It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change.” ~ Charles Darwin
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Re: Read, ponder and comment!
by blaudeix • Thu 22 Mar 2012 21:02

you got it. well done! :egypt: :up:

except somebody has moved my book.

another good one - how to win friends & influence people but I think we're hijacking the thread :tune:

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Re: Read, ponder and comment!
by lestroisours • Thu 22 Mar 2012 21:11

Rhinoceros Success - Just damn the torpedoes and charge!

I have read many books in the same genre and enjoyed them. I think Maryr's professor read them as well.

“It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change.” ~ Charles Darwin
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Re: Read, ponder and comment!
by alldown • Fri 23 Mar 2012 12:08

Picking up on Lestroisurs post and on a much lighter note I make walnut biscuits sometimes to go with ice cream My non cooking son-in-law asked me for the recipe. I was most impressed that he was going to cook them. This Catholic raised young man then told me

Give a man a Fish he will eat for a day Teach him how to fish he will eat for life.

"Gill, give a mum a biscuit she will enjoy it. Give a mum a recipe and she will cook forever for no.1 son ie me :angel: "

Gillxx

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